Talk:10349 - Revision history

Andrey.filippov at 04:04, 6 June 2008

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	When working with the Sandisk Extreme III, what where the DMACK- and DMARQ- lines tied to on the CF side? I am curious because after some research, it appears that the CF standard does not require DMA operation in TrueIDE mode (just PIO.) However, some cards are known to work regardless. The [http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page=/Pages/Products/CompactFlash/IDE_To_CF_Adapter.htm ACS IDE to CF adapeter] has DMACK- tied to REG- and DMARQ- tied to INPACK- and recommends the use of Sandisk CF cards. Would you post the CF<->IDE signal mappings that worked with the Sandisk Extreme III? --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:18, 5 June 2008 (CDT)		When working with the Sandisk Extreme III, what where the DMACK- and DMARQ- lines tied to on the CF side? I am curious because after some research, it appears that the CF standard does not require DMA operation in TrueIDE mode (just PIO.) However, some cards are known to work regardless. The [http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page=/Pages/Products/CompactFlash/IDE_To_CF_Adapter.htm ACS IDE to CF adapeter] has DMACK- tied to REG- and DMARQ- tied to INPACK- and recommends the use of Sandisk CF cards. Would you post the CF<->IDE signal mappings that worked with the Sandisk Extreme III? --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:18, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

			Just the standard pinout as described in the CF specs in the "True IDE" column. And don't forget 3 resistors on INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY.--[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 23:04, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Ekratzer at 20:18, 5 June 2008

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	I opened another CF card (32GB Transcend) - it had SM223 controller - same problem. So far the only one that we tried and that '''works with DMA is Sandisk Extreme(R) III 2.0GB''' --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 12:48, 23 April 2008 (CDT)		I opened another CF card (32GB Transcend) - it had SM223 controller - same problem. So far the only one that we tried and that '''works with DMA is Sandisk Extreme(R) III 2.0GB''' --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 12:48, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

			When working with the Sandisk Extreme III, what where the DMACK- and DMARQ- lines tied to on the CF side? I am curious because after some research, it appears that the CF standard does not require DMA operation in TrueIDE mode (just PIO.) However, some cards are known to work regardless. The [http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page=/Pages/Products/CompactFlash/IDE_To_CF_Adapter.htm ACS IDE to CF adapeter] has DMACK- tied to REG- and DMARQ- tied to INPACK- and recommends the use of Sandisk CF cards. Would you post the CF<->IDE signal mappings that worked with the Sandisk Extreme III? --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:18, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Andrey.filippov at 17:52, 23 April 2008

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	Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.		Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.

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	Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can implement and test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)		Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can implement and test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)

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	Interesting page for CF statistics. Shows which cards support DMA/PIO/etc: [http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-cards.html CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards] --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 09:19, 25 February 2008 (CST)		Interesting page for CF statistics. Shows which cards support DMA/PIO/etc: [http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-cards.html CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards] --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 09:19, 25 February 2008 (CST)

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	Another card Transcend 32GB has SM223TF inside - exactly the same problem. Technical support from the chip manufacturer stopped replying my emails after I described the problem. They just mentioned that "they had some DMA problems with older firmware" :-( --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 13:29, 7 April 2008 (CDT)		Another card Transcend 32GB has SM223TF inside - exactly the same problem. Technical support from the chip manufacturer stopped replying my emails after I described the problem. They just mentioned that "they had some DMA problems with older firmware" :-( --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 13:29, 7 April 2008 (CDT)

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	I am trying to move away from CF for our next board revision, since we cannot spare CPU for PIO mode transfers anymore. I have found some smaller IDE solid-state flash drives that have similar storage density to CF, like this drive from Transcend: [http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184&SpNo=3&LangNo=0 1.0" IDE SSD]. I will be ordering and testing on the bench soon.. will post results here --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:10, 22 April 2008 (CDT)		I am trying to move away from CF for our next board revision, since we cannot spare CPU for PIO mode transfers anymore. I have found some smaller IDE solid-state flash drives that have similar storage density to CF, like this drive from Transcend: [http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184&SpNo=3&LangNo=0 1.0" IDE SSD]. I will be ordering and testing on the bench soon.. will post results here --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:10, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

	I opened another CF card (32GB Transcend) - it had SM223 controller - same problem. So far the only one that works with DMA ~~that we tried~~ is ''Sandisk Extreme(R) III 2.0GB'' --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 12:48, 23 April 2008 (CDT)		----

			I opened another CF card (32GB Transcend) - it had SM223 controller - same problem. So far the only one that we tried and that '''works with DMA is Sandisk Extreme(R) III 2.0GB''' --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 12:48, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

Andrey.filippov at 17:48, 23 April 2008

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	I am trying to move away from CF for our next board revision, since we cannot spare CPU for PIO mode transfers anymore. I have found some smaller IDE solid-state flash drives that have similar storage density to CF, like this drive from Transcend: [http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184&SpNo=3&LangNo=0 1.0" IDE SSD]. I will be ordering and testing on the bench soon.. will post results here --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:10, 22 April 2008 (CDT)		I am trying to move away from CF for our next board revision, since we cannot spare CPU for PIO mode transfers anymore. I have found some smaller IDE solid-state flash drives that have similar storage density to CF, like this drive from Transcend: [http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184&SpNo=3&LangNo=0 1.0" IDE SSD]. I will be ordering and testing on the bench soon.. will post results here --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:10, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

			I opened another CF card (32GB Transcend) - it had SM223 controller - same problem. So far the only one that works with DMA that we tried is ''Sandisk Extreme(R) III 2.0GB'' --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 12:48, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

Ekratzer at 20:10, 22 April 2008

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	Another card Transcend 32GB has SM223TF inside - exactly the same problem. Technical support from the chip manufacturer stopped replying my emails after I described the problem. They just mentioned that "they had some DMA problems with older firmware" :-( --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 13:29, 7 April 2008 (CDT)		Another card Transcend 32GB has SM223TF inside - exactly the same problem. Technical support from the chip manufacturer stopped replying my emails after I described the problem. They just mentioned that "they had some DMA problems with older firmware" :-( --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 13:29, 7 April 2008 (CDT)


			I am trying to move away from CF for our next board revision, since we cannot spare CPU for PIO mode transfers anymore. I have found some smaller IDE solid-state flash drives that have similar storage density to CF, like this drive from Transcend: [http://www.transcendusa.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=184&SpNo=3&LangNo=0 1.0" IDE SSD]. I will be ordering and testing on the bench soon.. will post results here --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 15:10, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

Andrey.filippov at 18:29, 7 April 2008

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	Interesting page for CF statistics. Shows which cards support DMA/PIO/etc: [http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-cards.html CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards] --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 09:19, 25 February 2008 (CST)		Interesting page for CF statistics. Shows which cards support DMA/PIO/etc: [http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-cards.html CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards] --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 09:19, 25 February 2008 (CST)

			Another card Transcend 32GB has SM223TF inside - exactly the same problem. Technical support from the chip manufacturer stopped replying my emails after I described the problem. They just mentioned that "they had some DMA problems with older firmware" :-( --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 13:29, 7 April 2008 (CDT)

Ekratzer at 15:19, 25 February 2008

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	Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can implement and test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)		Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can implement and test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)

			Interesting page for CF statistics. Shows which cards support DMA/PIO/etc: [http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-cards.html CARDSPEED - Card Readers and Memory Cards] --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 09:19, 25 February 2008 (CST)

Ekratzer at 14:07, 25 February 2008

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	Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.		Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.

	Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)		Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can implement and test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)

Ekratzer at 14:05, 25 February 2008

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	Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.		Opening the CF card revealed SM222TF controller chip, same as for the card described [http://www.nextwarehouse.com/DS/iERP/ATA_SMB_DMA.pdf here]. It claims to support DMA, but the READ DMA/WRITE DMA commands are missing in the table of supported ones.

			Will using the processor DMA instead of ATA require any changes to the circuit? If so, we can test any changes. We will be making changes to fix INTRQ, DMARQ, IORDY, and DMACK lines shortly. --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 08:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)

Ekratzer at 13:22, 25 February 2008

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	the 353 camera software will not initialize IDE driver, it uses it to determine that IDE capable add-on board		the 353 camera software will not initialize IDE driver, it uses it to determine that IDE capable add-on board
	is attached to the 10353--[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 17:55, 18 February 2008 (CST).		is attached to the 10353--[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 17:55, 18 February 2008 (CST).

			Hmm, ok. I had disabled the check for _353_io_board_present in ide-cris.c to get past this problem (no pull down in DMARQ.) --[[User:Ekratzer\|Ekratzer]] 07:22, 25 February 2008 (CST)


	I see, thank you. By the end of the week I should have all the components for the 10369 board and I will put it together ans start testing with the CF cards (and SATA also). Did you try different brands/models? --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 17:41, 29 January 2008 (CST)		I see, thank you. By the end of the week I should have all the components for the 10369 board and I will put it together ans start testing with the CF cards (and SATA also). Did you try different brands/models? --[[User:Andrey.filippov\|Andrey.filippov]] 17:41, 29 January 2008 (CST)